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Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Oct 18 @ 7:46 AM ET
Jan Levine: Game 7: PIT 5 NYR 4, OT, Rangers snatch defeat from jaws of victory
A disheartening loss at MSG
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Oct 18 @ 7:56 AM ET
Nash was the best forward last night and got 3 less minutes at ES than fast
junaka3
Joined: 08.12.2009

Oct 18 @ 8:03 AM ET
Hard to believe Shatty wasn’t aware of the hand pass. Also, with Nash playing well, they should look to trade him. Not capable of more minutes. Only a matter of time before he breaks down and spends time on IR
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Oct 18 @ 8:20 AM ET
Wow, how longs Buch been in the dog house? 5 minutes, that's crazy unless he's really poop the bed!
devils_mike
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 09.30.2009

Oct 18 @ 8:26 AM ET
(I come in peace...)

I really like McD. I feel bad for the dude. And frankly have a ton of respect that he could sit there after the game, look the cameras and reporters in the eye and take full responsibility for a bad play. And not just say it was a bad play, but actually expound on why it was bad and what he should have done. I totally get your guys’ frustration. Not saying makes up for it. Just as a third party, still seems like a good leader to me.

Fenrir
New York Rangers
Location: Jesus saves! Satan picks up the rebound...AND SCORES!!, NJ
Joined: 04.02.2015

Oct 18 @ 8:26 AM ET
Nash was a beast last night. Too bad he can't buy a goal.
Fenrir
New York Rangers
Location: Jesus saves! Satan picks up the rebound...AND SCORES!!, NJ
Joined: 04.02.2015

Oct 18 @ 8:28 AM ET
Nash was the best forward last night and got 3 less minutes at ES than fast
- rangerdanger94

That ice time list Jan posted is unbelievable. AV is clueless with what to do with this lineup.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Oct 18 @ 8:38 AM ET
Looks like the AV train will be leaving Rangerstown shortly and expressing to Crapsville. Brutal loss. I like AV but he doesn't look like he has answers.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Oct 18 @ 8:39 AM ET
I’d have to see total ice time because we did have a ton of PP time but still
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Oct 18 @ 8:42 AM ET
Looks like the AV train will be leaving Rangerstown shortly and expressing to Crapsville. Brutal loss. I like AV but he doesn't look like he has answers.
- Queenie_5_hole


At this point, I don't think any coach would have the answers. The last 2 goals were such bone headed plays. Never should have been made at the NHL level.
Fenrir
New York Rangers
Location: Jesus saves! Satan picks up the rebound...AND SCORES!!, NJ
Joined: 04.02.2015

Oct 18 @ 8:42 AM ET
(I come in peace...)

I really like McD. I feel bad for the dude. And frankly have a ton of respect that he could sit there after the game, look the cameras and reporters in the eye and take full responsibility for a bad play. And not just say it was a bad play, but actually expound on why it was bad and what he should have done. I totally get your guys’ frustration. Not saying makes up for it. Just as a third party, still seems like a good leader to me.

- devils_mike

Thanks.
Mac looks lost with what to do with this team.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Oct 18 @ 8:46 AM ET
I’d have to see total ice time because we did have a ton of PP time but still
- rangerdanger94

Jan highlighting the 5v5 toi doesn't give the right picture imo. Even strenght toi would give a better understanding of AV's personell dispositions imo.
Not sure who this @ryanohan is, but I always use NHL's own stats for the game:
http://www.nhl.com/scores...rts/20172018/ES020082.HTM
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Oct 18 @ 8:47 AM ET
At this point, I don't think any coach would have the answers. The last 2 goals were such bone headed plays. Never should have been made at the NHL level.
- mdw7413


Very smart by Sid. Very good by Kessel. Not so good by the Rangers.

Didn't you guys start like this in 2014?
Fenrir
New York Rangers
Location: Jesus saves! Satan picks up the rebound...AND SCORES!!, NJ
Joined: 04.02.2015

Oct 18 @ 8:49 AM ET
Jan highlighting the 5v5 toi doesn't give the right picture imo. Even strenght toi would give a better understanding of AV's personell dispositions imo.
Not sure who this @ryanohan is, but I always use NHL's own stats for the game:
http://www.nhl.com/scores...rts/20172018/ES020082.HTM

- 21peter

Much better. Thanks
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Oct 18 @ 8:50 AM ET
Jan highlighting the 5v5 toi doesn't give the right picture imo. Even strenght toi would give a better understanding of AV's personell dispositions imo.
Not sure who this @ryanohan is, but I always use NHL's own stats for the game:
http://www.nhl.com/scores...rts/20172018/ES020082.HTM

- 21peter


Yes checked it again, Reaves still only played 3.
RAG$4LIFE
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 10.01.2008

Oct 18 @ 8:50 AM ET
Like many others I’m beginning to questions whether AV has any idea what he’s doing. What is the point of having Buch on the 4th line?
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Oct 18 @ 8:56 AM ET
Very smart by Sid. Very good by Kessel. Not so good by the Rangers.

Didn't you guys start like this in 2014?

- Aussiepenguin


I remember a bad start, but not this bad.
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Oct 18 @ 8:56 AM ET
Jan highlighting the 5v5 toi doesn't give the right picture imo. Even strenght toi would give a better understanding of AV's personell dispositions imo.
Not sure who this @ryanohan is, but I always use NHL's own stats for the game:
http://www.nhl.com/scores...rts/20172018/ES020082.HTM

- 21peter

Look at the EV strength, that’s 5v5 for the most part unless matching minors and 4v4. Even if include Buch PPTOI, he is still below 10 minutes of total ice time.
MeltingPlastic
New York Rangers
Location: outside philthadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.17.2007

Oct 18 @ 8:57 AM ET
My only concern with firing AV is who's available? Ruff as the head coach i'm not sold on.. maybe Iron Mike will come back?
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Oct 18 @ 9:00 AM ET
Look at the EV strength, that’s 5v5 for the most part unless matching minors and 4v4. Even if include Buch PPTOI, he is still below 10 minutes of total ice time.
- airjan23

Nash goes from playing 3 minutes less than Fast to playing like a minute more though. I think ES would be a better indicator of ice time moving forward over 5v5.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Oct 18 @ 9:00 AM ET
My only concern with firing AV is who's available? Ruff as the head coach i'm not sold on.. maybe Iron Mike will come back?
- MeltingPlastic

Messier!
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Oct 18 @ 9:01 AM ET
At this point, I don't think any coach would have the answers. The last 2 goals were such bone headed plays. Never should have been made at the NHL level.
- mdw7413


I completely agree but we both know this is the sort of situation where a lot of coaches hit the end of the line.

Something's gotta change. The choices look like get a new coach, make a trade or pound the goo out of the Islanders and shake it off. But being kinda of a win now team something's gotta give.
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Oct 18 @ 9:03 AM ET
My only concern with firing AV is who's available? Ruff as the head coach i'm not sold on.. maybe Iron Mike will come back?
- MeltingPlastic


Michel Therrien. Although he might say Kreider is too soff.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Oct 18 @ 9:04 AM ET
My biggest take away from the game last night was the Rags are a bunch of losers as usual!!! KIDDING! I kid...

In all seriousness, your team has new faces with old faces taking on new roles. It's going to take a minute for everything to gel. While the Center position will probably hold you back from going deep in the playoffs, you can see the real issue is timing.

Your guys are just not on the same page which you can see with the missed passes, sloppy transitions, etc...

Philly and NJ's current overachieving will settle and I have no doubt you guys will be right up in the hunt for the WC spot. I also don't mean WC as a knock, because I expect the Pens to be finishing 3rd or 2nd this year.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Oct 18 @ 9:05 AM ET
Look at the EV strength, that’s 5v5 for the most part unless matching minors and 4v4. Even if include Buch PPTOI, he is still below 10 minutes of total ice time.
- airjan23

yeah, I posted Buch's 9:47 toi yesterday...

But if you look at Nash's, Fast's and Zuke's toi (amongst others) in your blog - the real even strenght toi gives an other picture than yours...

Like for instance when RD is shocked that Fast was getting 3 more mins 5v5 toi than Nash and the real #'s are that Nash played 13:32 even strenght mins compared to Fast's 12:33...
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